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February 22[edit]

Why was my edit to NewsWatch reverted?[edit]

NewsWatch is a scam. GorrilaReporter (the person the reverted my edit) please look up on Reddit and I've received the email myself too. posted at 22 February 2020 by ScamReporter

You have asked the same question at the talk page of GorillaWarfare and received an answer there; I don't need to repeat what GorillaWarfare has said. -- Hoary (talk) 06:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
ScamReporter, I accept that the email you received was indeed a scam, but I doubt that it really came from Newswatch. Maproom (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Lupton family[edit]

Please fix the page numbers - (should it be "ppp" or something?) - of reference number 86. Please leave in the quote. Thanks (talk) 05:58, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I think the way it's now is fine. There are other refs using full "page" like 100 for example. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Additionally: Your concern for this article is admirable, but I have already done your bidding there once and I notice that I haven't been alone. Please consider figuring out how to do this kind of thing yourself; or, if you'd prefer not to, then please post your requests at Talk:Lupton family. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks (talk) 07:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Verticle table?[edit]

Item Amount Cost
Orange 10 7
Bread 4 3
Butter 1 5
Total 15

Apologies, not sure if that's the right way to put it. But what's the best way of formatting a table so the bolded headers are down the left-hand side rather than along the top? I appreciate any advice in advance :) ——SN54129 07:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The bolding of the headers is merely produced by using exclamation mark "!" instead of pipe "|". So this would be a simple matter of interchanging them. Or even more simply: use "!" when you need bold and "|" when you don't. For instance, see attached table example. I think that's what you're looking for.– Ammarpad (talk) 07:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Ammarpad: What I've been looking for for the last few hours! :) Many, thanks indeed, that's the job. You're great as usual. Thanks for the help! ——SN54129 07:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Ammarpad: Sorry, just one more thing, is it possible to have it borderless (I worked that out, see!) and to float right as well? ——SN54129 07:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes. The border is added by wikitable class the floating by style: so just declare the style style="float:right;". – Ammarpad (talk) 08:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Brilliant! You did it for me :) ——SN54129 08:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
See Help:Table for general table help. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Primefac: thanks too. I can't see how to get the left-hand column text to align to the left rather than centred. Any suggestions? ——SN54129 21:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Serial Number 54129: I have added style="text-align: left;" | to the above table in each cell of the left column except the heading. Styling of a column has to be added in every cell. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Always happy to take credit for someone else's help! Primefac (talk) 00:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
D'oh! I've done that before, too :D sorry, PrimeHunter, 'Fac swoops in once again and steals your thunder ;) ——SN54129 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

How do I cite on enwiki a translation between other languages?[edit]

I am putting together bibliography of a modern Russian scholar in history who apart from writing original research has translated into Russian a number of mediaeval texts of historians from Latin or Greek from publications e.g. made in 19 century Germany, commented them and published either on dedicated websites, or in a journal published online with the page of description of his work in HTML and a link to a downloadable pdf file of the full text of commented and prefaced translation - or in conference proceedings. Using for ENwiki the templates "Cite conference, web or book", I am confused: parameters title and script-title require data of the text already in translation, while trans-title on ENwiki requires translation of the title into English. The template thus provides for translation only into English, but what about referencing translation between languages other than English? And how do I in applying "Cite conference" template show both the research museum holding the conference, and an independent publishing house that printed the proceedings? I have got an error message when I put the name of the former in "institution" parameter - and the publishing house in "publisher"? Are they mutually exclusive? GregZak (talk) 07:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Experience has told me that while the citation templates may be good in their way, attempting to use them for complications unforeseen by their creators is frustrating and ultimately won't work. (Admittedly my attempts weren't so recent, but they involved books with Japanese and English parallel texts, and three ways of writing the title: Japanese in the script used on the book, Japanese romanized, and English. I gave up.) So when there are likely to be complications, I don't bother with the templates. Incidentally, before you put too much time into your enterprise, I don't think that there's any consensus that the papers of an academic should all be listed. Of course it's possible for one paper even to merit an article to itself (example), but I'd normally skip a list of papers unless they can be shown to have been discussed significantly by other scholars. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
This editor asked apparently related questions at Help talk:Citation Style 1 § Access parameter for sites blocked in many countries and Help talk:Citation Style 1 § How do I cite a Russian webpage with translation from a Latin book?. I answered those questions but there was no further discussion.
|institution= and |publishers= are aliases of each other so are mutually exclusive.
@GregZak, examples of what it is that you are attempting to do will go a long way to helping other editors answer your questions.
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, I have just seen your previous reply after I read this one following the red button of notifications. Out of the two queries you mention, the one about blocked sites wasn't mine GregZak (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
My advice (and my practice in editing) with lists of papers is that in the humanities, where notability is mainly determined by books, a complete list of books published, with year, date, publisher and ISBN (referenced to WorldCat) , and including links to major book reviews, is appropriate, but not articles ; but in the sciences, where in practice here notability is usually demonstrated by the extent of citation to the person's work, there should be a list of the 5 or so most cited peer-reviewed articles, given in full with coauthors, full name of journals, and links, with the number of citations to each of them . For currently active scientists, there's usually a full list of papers on their web site. But the amount of material to included should depend upon the importance of the person. DGG ( talk ) 16:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

How to remove the massages ?[edit]

Dear Wikipedia I want to ask you a question,How To Remove The Massages? Thank you Cheryl114.32.128.34 (talk) 08:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Which message? – Ammarpad (talk) 08:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Move of article please - duplicate articles created[edit]

Hello I created the article "Lismore fields" and realised afterwards that the f in the title should be capital. So I created the article "Lismore Fields" and copied over the content but I can't delete the original article. I found out that I should have used the Move feature but that won't work since I created the new article already. Please will an administrator delete the original article for me? Thanks Douglal (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

If you add {{Db-author}} to the top of the original article, that will tag it for speedy deletion. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
No need – I've already ProDded it, while David Biddulph was replying. Maproom (talk) 14:05, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I've history-merged Douglal's earlier edits of Lismore fields to Lismore Fields and redirected the former to the latter. Should be fixed now; let me know if there are any problems. Deor (talk) 15:56, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Revereted my edit in Twenty:20 (Film) Article for no reason[edit]

Hi, Some admin undone my edit in Twenty:20 (film) Article . The revert was done for rearraging the cast according to their age, popularity & spell order. You know Mammootty and Mohanlal are equally popular & rival actors in Malayalam Film Industry. I would like to know how could Mohanlal comes afterMammootty in the cast section in the article?. Both are equally important in the movie Twenty:20 (film). On the basis of age, career experience & considering their english spelling, Mohanlal only comes after Mammootty. Then on what basis they(admins) are keeping the wrong order and reverting my edit. This is not fair. Expecting an answer & a solution. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talkcontribs) 19:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The editor who reverted your edit is not an admin, but he was perfectly entitled to revert. You gave no explanation in an edit summary as to why you made the change. As the editor advised you on your user talk page, if you wish to discuss your proposed change the place to do it is the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Casts are listed in billing order, not age, popularity (which would open a big can of worms) or spelling. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@SmakTwone: "Billing order" means the order in which the producers of the film chose to list the cast in the credits of the film itself (often by contractual obligation), official posters at the theatre, etc. This is the only reasonable solution, and a long-standing consensus among Wikipedia editors at WT:FILM and elsewhere. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1:@David Biddulph: I think the end credit scene in the movie can be considered as a billing order. In the end credit of the movie itself Mammootty is mention first before Mohanlal. That is the order the Producer had Chosen. Then please change it accordingly. You can Watch it here : [[1]]

-- Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talkcontribs) 04:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Aren't end credits frequently shown in order of the characters' first appearances in the film. (Not asserting that this is necessarily the case in this instance.) {The poster formerly known as} (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@ I am just talking about that, to arrange the cast there should be some methods or conditions to be followed. There is no explanation for the current arrangement of cast in the article. Someone above mentioned cast are arranged in the billing order. So it should be followed. In the credit scene of the movie it's arranged as Madhu, Mammootty, Mohanlal, and so on by the producer itself. So it must be rearranged accordingly with the credit scene. I hope admins should take proper action against this.-- Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talkcontribs) 13:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • There isn't any "proper action" that admins would take against "this". If you think I'm out of line somehow, I'm welcome to hear it. There is an explanation for the current arrangement of the cast, as it is arranged in billing order, as confirmed by various websites. As someone else noted, the end credits might not be the best presentation. I'd go along with the opening credits. I'm trying to find a video rendition of the opening credits somewhere online, but all I'm seeing are deleted videos (as such postings are copyright violations). What has been happening on the article now for 6+ years is a series of sockpuppets in support of Mohanlal and another series in support of Mammootty that keep switching the cast order. A great many of these sockpuppets have been blocked. See example and example. The article has been protected 9 times over the years to prevent the cast order switching disruption. If we can see the opening credits showing Mammootty to be billed first, then I'm happy for it. I don't care about the order. I care about the disruption ending permanently. SmakTwone, I appreciate you be willing to discuss. Further discussion about the order should be held at Talk:Twenty:20 (film). Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help - Images corped from Youtube[edit] I was wondering if anyone can help me if i did the right Licensing and free from copyright issues? Regice2020 (talk) 23:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Regice2020. I'm sorry, but I don't think you did. You uploaded it with the claim that it was licensed under CC-by-3.0, but I see nothing on the YouTube page that states that. In the absence of any clear statement to the contrary from the copyright holder, we assume that all images found on the Internet are copyright and cannot normally be used in Wikipedia. What is your basis for believing that this is licensed under cc-by-3.0? (If it is the "CC" on the frame of the video, that means Closed captioning, and is nothing to do with the licence). --ColinFine (talk) 11:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Correcting the spelling of the person's name in the title[edit]

I am trying to correct the misspelling of a person's name. I have corrected the actual article, but I can't seem to correct the title. This is the link to the page I need to correct the first name to Madeleine. I've looked in the help section, but I didn't find how to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonsrose4 (talkcontribs) 23:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

To change the title of an article, you "Move" it to the new title. Click on "Move" at the top of the page, and there will be a screen to give the new title and the reason you are moving it. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Info is here: Wikipedia:Moving a page. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
The OP couldn't move the article as his account is not autoconfirmed. I've done the move. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

February 23[edit]

Which category of image?[edit]


I have permission to use an image of musician Johanna Warren from Johana herself in her article. But I am not clear which of the three image categories to use.

And no, there is no COI, I am a friend of hers. Sethie (talk) 03:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sethie: What do you mean by "three image categories? If you're a friend of hers, you do have a conflict of interest - FlightTime (open channel) 03:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@FlightTime: Before we go into the 3 categories, lets see if I am not allowed to add a picture to her page?

WP COI says: "While editing Wikipedia, an editor's primary role is to further the interests of the encyclopedia. When an external role or relationship could reasonably be said to undermine that primary role, the editor has a conflict of interest. (Similarly, a judge's primary role as an impartial adjudicator is undermined if she is married to the defendant.)

Any external relationship—personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial (including holding a cryptocurrency)—can trigger a COI. How close the relationship needs to be before it becomes a concern on Wikipedia is governed by common sense. For example, an article about a band should not be written by the band's manager, and a biography should not be an autobiography or written by the subject's spouse. There can be a COI when writing on behalf of a competitor or opponent of the page subject, just as there is when writing on behalf of the page subject."

As a friend of Johanna's I don't think WP:COI prohibits me from doing copy-editing on her page (already did one such edit, feel free to take a peak) and putting up an image?

If you feel it does, could you point to what part of the policy backs your position.

I could have just googled and found an image of her... maybe that would have been/would be better? As it is, she has sent me three images and I have chosen the one which I feel is most encyclopedic. Sethie (talk) 04:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sethie: We have no interest in "permission to use" an image. Instead, we need an image that has the appropriate copyright license. Unless there is a contract or other "writing" the photographer, not the subject, owns the copyright and is the only person who can license it. The image must have a CC-BY-SA (or compatible) license. This would have been true of any image you "found on the Internet" also: most such images have no copyright license and therefore their copyright is still owned by the photographer. The alternative is "fair use", and we accept a "fair use" image only under highly restrictive conditions that do not apply to images of living people. If your image is CC-BY-SA, then upload it to commons and add it to the article, and thank you for this. That is separate from any WP:COI concerns. Now for COI: unless you are being compensated in any way by the subject (see WP:PAID) you are not prohibited from editing the article, but you are very strongly discouraged from doing so, and you are required to disclose your relationship to the subject. It is much better to simply suggest the edits on the article's talk page. It's OK, we don't get nasty or anything, but experience as shown that it is all too easy to inadvertently bias your edits so the second set of eyes is useful. Please don't give up: we will get there eventually. -Arch dude (talk) 04:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Arch dude: Thanks friend! I hadn't planned on editing her article other then adding a picture of my friend... as a birthday gift to her!
Actually, maybe it is best that I just step away from her page completely- me having to announce a COI on the talk page sort of "stains" the page.... and is contrary to the birthday gift energy I was trying to bring> :) :( Sethie (talk) 06:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Sethie: The hard part is getting a validly-licenced image uploaded to Commons. This does not require a COI declaration. It does require the effort to track down the photographer and get that license. That's clearly a lot of thoughtful work of the type that should go into a great birthday gift. The COI declaration (which would be on your user page) would not be obtrusive enough to subtract, I hope, and your friend won't see it unless she knows enough about Wikipedia to know how to look for it. How can "I'm a friend of Johanna Warren" be negative? COI is not a bad thing, it just a thing. Getting good photos of living people is something we need. -Arch dude (talk) 06:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
One more thing, Sethie: it's great that you want to give your friend a birthday gift, but editing Wikipedia is often not a very satisfactory gift for them, because neither you nor they will control what happens to the article afterwards. In this case, if you found a picture with the right licence, it would almost certainly be an improvement to the article, so your "gift" would probably remain. But if later somebody else found a different picture of Warren (with an appropriate licence), they could replace your picture; and if the consensus of editors agreed it was a more suitable picture, then it would be used, even if both you and Warren preferred the picture you added. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


Hi, Just want to get your opinion about a principal managing 2 private schools. if this is allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, this page is for asking questions related to using Wikipedia; this is not a general question asking forum. 331dot (talk) 08:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
If this is a question about whether a principal managing 2 private schools is likely to be notable enough for an article if that is the main basis of the person's notability, the general response would be that , unless the schools are so very important or there is some other factor that the individual himself has been the subject of multiple references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements, that there would most likely not be sufficient sources for an article. DGG ( talk ) 16:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Fact checkers[edit]

Are fact checkers considered reliable sources for a Wikipedia article? Interstellarity (talk) 14:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

The people themselves, not for Wikipedia purposes, since they are not published and so can't be verified. If you mean, e.g.,, see [2]. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 15:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: There are a lot of fact checking websites out there. Here is a Google search for some of them. Which ones are reliable and which ones are not? Interstellarity (talk) 16:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
If it's published by a reliable source like AFP it is fine. If it looks like a self-published source it should be avoided. Some are listed on WP:RSP, for example PolitiFact is listed as being reliable. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
WP:RSP has comments on a couple. You may be able to find more in the WP:RSN archives. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång and Þjarkur: What does AFP stand for? Would be considered reliable? Interstellarity (talk) 21:19, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I was referring to, published by Agence France-Presse. appears to have editorial oversight, but in the WP:RSN archives someone calls them a student publication [3] that should probably not be used. It is however used in 600 articles, including on our articles on Obama and Trump. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Þjarkur: That's clear to me. Thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


Hi Helpdesk, I am struggling with finding how to do the reference tags, or even what those are. Do you mean the superscript numbers at the end of a phrase?. I clicked on "Cite your sources" at the bottom of the window, but I am not sure if that is how to do it. Please could you walk me through this? I tried to paste the requested edits together with superscript numbers in the text and the corresponding references, but no references or in-text citations appeared. I don't know whether to highlight the reference at the bottom and then click cite your sources, or click that when the cursor is next to the insertion point in the text. Both seem to just put a ref ref thing in the flow of the text. Maybe I am supposed to just put them in the flow of the text using the cite your sources and you sort it out into a normal looking reference? I just want to add references to the text correctly. Please help. thanks EMMALROSS (talk) 18:14, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Please read Help:Referencing for beginners.   Maproom (talk) 18:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
If you use the VisualEditor, inserting references is much easier. See this tutorial. You can use the VisualEditor in your sandbox but not on talk pages (so if you're requesting additions to pages you can just link to your sandbox instead). You just click "Cite" when your cursor is next to the insertion point in text, the reference is supposed to go in the flow of the text, when the page is displayed it will be shown as superscript numbers. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
    Thank you both. EMMALROSS (talk) 21:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism from[edit]

Can you please block This user edited the Gonzaga Bulldogs men's basketball page and change the name of the page to "Yoeli Childs’ Sons" within the last 12 hours. As you can see on their user talk page, this IP address is known for vandalizing Wikipedia pages, and even changed the name of the Yoeli Childs page to "Gonzaga’s Dad" today as well as seen on their recent contributions, and this type of behavior has been documented since 2018 on this user's talk page. Can you please block this user for at least the next couple months? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorgeriverez (talkcontribs) 2020-02-23T18:30:26 (UTC)

Hello, Jorgereverez. Since this is an IP address, it might be a complete different person using it from three years ago. But I agree that their recent edits look like vandalism. The place to report this is at WP:AIV. --ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help requested[edit]

i was put all relabale links — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hameedabbas786 (talkcontribs) 19:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Your draft is awaiting a second review, it can take several weeks to get a review. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:17, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
None of the sources cited in the draft discusses the subject of the article. The draft therefore fails to establish that its subject is notable, and will be declined when it is reviewed. Maproom (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

External link not connecting properly[edit]

Hi - I can't figure out how to get the external link in Portable Bloomberg: The Wit and Wisdom of Michael Bloomberg to link properly. The same WP article is listed as a reference in the body of the text, but when it appears as an external link - using exactly the same URL, it returns a deadlink. Not clear what I'm doing wrong. Bangabandhu (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done There was a pipe character at the end of the url that was causing the problem. MB 20:48, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Bangabandhu (talk) 03:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

February 24[edit]

Help: The false story of the death of Edward II[edit]

Controversies Controversy rapidly surrounded Edward's death.[331] With Mortimer's execution in 1330, rumours began to circulate that Edward had been murdered at Berkeley Castle. Accounts that he had been killed by the insertion of a red-hot iron or poker into his anus slowly began to circulate, possibly as a result of deliberate propaganda; chroniclers in the mid-1330s and 1340s spread this account further, supported in later years by Geoffrey le Baker's colourful account of the killing.[332] It became incorporated into most later histories of Edward, typically being linked to his possible homosexuality.[333] Most historians now dismiss this account of Edward's death, querying the logic in his captors murdering him in such an easily detectable fashion.[334][nb 21]

How do I seek help in removing this ghastly homophobic false story from Wikepedia? Thank you. Bob Hadley--Bobh3790 (talk) 00:11, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Bobh3790: Get a time machine and let the people in the past know right away that that didn't happen so those false rumors don't spread. Then come back and tell academia that those false rumors didn't spread, then go to the article's talk page to show that historians never said that the false rumors were never spread.
Otherwise, bear in mind that Wikipedia is not censored and consider the possibility that you're reading homophobia into the text. The article doesn't say that Edward II was gay or that he died from having a fire poker inserted into him, it just says that some people in the past incorrectly thought that and that modern historians think that's incorrect. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

watchlist notification[edit]

I have zero idea what I'm being pointed at by the notification on my watchlist that says There are open requests for comments on Wikipedia policies and proposals. It's got four links in it. Three of them go to pages with multiple RfCs, and the fourth is an explanation of RfC. Anyone have more clue than I do? --valereee (talk) 13:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

So basically, you are not pointed at anything in particular, just to the existence of RfCs and how to find them. (I am not a fan of the notice, but then I know how to find RfCs if I want to...) TigraanClick here to contact me 13:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Tigraan, thank you for your detective work! --valereee (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I want to see all the redirects that I have created[edit]

I know how to see a list of all the articles that I have created but how can I see all the redirects that I have created?.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 13:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

SharabSalam, there's a list here ~~ Alex Noble - talk 13:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks!.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Change Name[edit]

Can someone please update the City of Farrell Mayor? As of January 2020 our Mayor is now Kimberly Doss. (Prior to that it was Olive M. McKeithan)

Thank You! City Clerk — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done and congratulations to Ms Doss from London, UK :) ——SN54129 14:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Broken Links[edit]

On Jon Meachum's website, none of his web links work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:39, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Are you referring to the article at Jon_Meacham? I checked a few links there and they worked. If you are talking about his website, then Wikipedia has no control over that. RudolfRed (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Category:CS1 errors: PMC[edit]

References are added to Category:CS1 errors: PMC where there is a value for the PMC of >7000000 through Check |pmc= value. That number appears to now be too low for a general error trap, so maybe it should be changed to 8000000 ? Can you direct this to the right editor who can make these template changes ? Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

This has been fixed in the module-suite sandbox.
Trappist the monk (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

February 25[edit]

Aja People[edit]

There's this one guy who told me that they reverted an edit I made in the article about the Aja people, even though I didn't do or edit anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24pateoh (talkcontribs) 02:18, 25 February 2020 (UTC) :

Special:Diff/940678124 - FlightTime (open channel) 02:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
@24pateoh: Yes you did edit that article, as you can see from the link that FlightTime has provided. JBW (talk) 16:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Sidebar changes[edit]

Are terrible. Some of us are using Wikipedia in environments where we *can't* sign in due to opsec reasons and forcing the language to the locale without letting us just use a cookie to change it is ill-advised at best. I realize this seems to be a side effect of the new MediaWiki software rolling out today but the vast majority of people read Wikipedia not-logged-in and I would hope this isn't a ploy to force people to log in for tracking purposes. Please reconsider this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:18, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

The people who frequent this Help desk are people who can advise about editing Wikipedia. Few or none of them have anything to do with the provision or maintenance of the software. A better place to discuss this would be at WP:VPT. --ColinFine (talk) 15:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
This is probably the same issue as #Interface language below, which is resolved now. Peter Coombe (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Interface language[edit]

Who thought it was a good idea to restrict the user interface language to the language attributed to the local IP address even when you are visiting Wikipedia in another language? This is totally useless and confusing since you have to look twice which language version you are looking at. There is a high chance that people who visit Wikipedia in a different language are able to at least navigate through if not read that language. Besides, the language settings are clearly broken. It says the interface language is just like the content language, which it is clearly not. I am based in Germany and I want to see everything in English when I'm on the English Wikipedia. I can imagine how monolingual expatriates would think about this. This is as bad as the horrendous collapsing of the language table into continent clusters done years ago. These changes are making things more difficult for people who speak multiple languages. --2001:16B8:3133:4800:2C9A:F755:44BF:D0B3 (talk) 09:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

You know, you used to beat us and put soap into our mouth for not speaking English because this is America and we were dirty Injuns. Now you found a new way of showing us whose country this is. Navajo and Cherokee wikipedia are in English only. Very clever. (talk) 10:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

These are English only? [4][5] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
I think 174 is complaining that Navajo and Cherokee Wikipedias have their navigation links in English. But that is not a matter for English Wikipedia or its Help Desk. We here have no control over how other language Wikipedias are managed.
I find 2001's criticism harder to understand. In my experience, what I see in Wikipedia is not affected by my location. Maproom (talk) 11:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Given multiple edits on the issue, there's clearly been some location-based changes for IP editors. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
I am seeing their navigation links in Finnish. This must be because my local desktop session is somehow using Finnish as a default language. The Navajo and Cherokee Wikipedias have nothing to do with the Finnish language. JIP | Talk 12:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Now they have changed to what I assume are the Navajo and Cherokee languages. JIP | Talk 12:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Something fishy seems to be going on indeed. Filed phab:T246095. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 12:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

For logged-out users it appears the interface is now using the browser's language setting (in the Accept-Language header), instead of the language set for the site. If you are logged in, then your site preferences will override both. Tracking this issue at phab:T246071. Peter Coombe (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 13:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
this is now FixedTheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

This is a bug, but it's sad how many people are using a browser in English when it's not their first language. The state of internationalization and localization in 2020 should be better than this. Nemo 14:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

This should be resolved now. Peter Coombe (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 15:09, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Help with Vandalism[edit]

If any administrator is nearby, I need your help, this guy is vandalising the main Russia page and is spreading lies to the community. Can you send him a proper warning that if he does this again, can you block him? He consistently disputes with me about this until it turned from an argument to vandalism. I need admin help immediately, please respond.

He vandalizes two pages, the Russia main page and the Demographics of Russia page. Please warn him about this issue and have him cease these actions and stop spreading lies immediately, thank you. (e.g. vandalised past 4th warning). IntercontinentalEmpire (talk) 14:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I fail to see how this is vandalism. It's just a content dispute about a difference in population. Nothing to block anyone about. JIP | Talk 14:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, IntercontinentalEmpire, but frankly you'd be better off dealing with the litany of comments on you talk page regarding conflict of interest, POV-pushing, edit-warring and disruptive editing, to name but a few. I'm afraid, unless you can provide reliable sources to justify your hiking of the Russian population figures, the issues on your talk are going to be the context in which your attempted changes are going to be seen in. ——SN54129 14:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Actually, it is IntercontinentalEmpire (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), who engages in vandalism of the page (putting 2017 population numbers as 2020, even without bothering to alter citation template), just because he objects the fact that Russian population declined last year (for whatever reasons). One might consult my comment of 08:22, 10 February 2020 (UTC)] at Russia TP - as an example of what IntercontinentalEmpire does. Bests, --Seryo93 (talk) 15:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
And also POV-push from them, by putting map with undisputed (dark-green) Crimea. Bests --Seryo93 (talk) 15:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
...and none of it belongs here. If you two can't follow the dispute resolution process, take it to WP:ANI, where you may both receive a clue. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:27, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Terrible UI change without my consent - giant ugly arrows on desktop[edit]

I would like to draw your attention to this terrible UI change - on the In the news candidates page, I can see two giant ugly arrows in the bottom right corner of my screen. What is their functionality? The same as the Home and End buttons of my keyboard! I vehemently oppose this terrible downgrade, that has not even asked for my consent!--Adûnâi (talk) 15:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Adûnâi, that is template:Skip to top and bottom, which can be added and removed by anyone in the same way as any other template.
If you really don't like it, you can add
#skip-to-top-button, #skip-to-bottom-button {display: none;}
to Special:MyPage/common.css, which will hide it anywhere it is used. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 16:01, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
If you want it removed, wp:BRD applies as usual. It was added in Special:Diff/917933332. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 16:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Also, Wikipedia:You don't own Wikipedia. Editors don't require your prior approval to make changes. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 16:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, it has worked.--Adûnâi (talk) 17:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


My page has been deleted. I am trying to create a reference for the new artist ash baker not a personal page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASH BAKER (talkcontribs) 16:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

ASH BAKER Your draft was deleted because it was blatantly promotional. Wikipedia is not for telling the world about yourself or advancing your music career. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged, see autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 16:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Transcluded page[edit]

Hello, Can you please help me understand what it means that I page I created for Lynden Miller is marked as transcluded and why? Do pages get un-transcluded? Many thanks for your help. Minard38 (talk) 16:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Minard38

I'm guessing you're referring to what is displayed on Special:WhatLinksHere/Lynden_Miller? All pages are shown as transcluding themselves on that page. Transclusion is when a page includes some other page, I guess the database just marks all pages as including themselves. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:59, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt and helpful observation. Minard38 (talk) 17:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Minard38

It is not Lynden Miller transcluding Lynden Miller per se, rather, it is Module:Citation/CS1 that makes it appear that Lynden Miller transcludes Lynden Miller. cs1|2 templates are rendered by Module:citation/CS1. That module reads the content of the wikipedia article where the cs1|2 templates are used to discover if the article contains one of the {{use xxx dates}} templates. To do this Module:Citation/CS1 gets a title object for the article and then calls the object's function getContent() (mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Title objects). When it does that, the article is recorded as a transclusion of itself.

Yeah, I know, tmi.

Trappist the monk (talk) 18:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Not TMI, and welcome! I noticed the "self-transclusion" a while back and never got around to figuring out whether it was a bug or a feature. One more thing off my bucket list.Face-smile.svg But it would be marginally good (though not worth wasting anyone's time) if "it" were to somehow exclude this particular case somehow. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


To whom it may concern,

I am the Creative and UX Designer for Aura Identity Guard and I would like to update the logo on the "Identity Guard" page. I read that I might have to upload it on the commons page put I do not want to relinquish rights to our company logo. Is there a way to change the old existing logo and update it to the new one?

Thank you,

Jon — Preceding unsigned comment added by AuraIDG (talkcontribs) 17:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

AuraIDG, yes, logos under fair use are images that can be used without a free license here. I would recommend making a request at Wikipedia:Files for upload, where users experienced in fair use images and their templates can upload and tag it for you. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 17:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Jon. I'm afraid there are some rather important administrative points to deal with before answering your question.
First, if you are employed by AuraIDG, you must declare your status as a paid editor before you do anything in regard to that article.
Secondly, user names which suggest that they are editing on behalf of an organisation are not permitted: you should change your username (or, as easily, abandon that one, and create a new one). The account should be personal to you, not shared with anybody else. You can use yor real name, as I do, or a pseudonym; and a name like "Jon from Aura IDG" would be acceptable.
Now, to get to your question: normally, images must be free for reuse and uploaded to Commons; but there are some exceptions, and logos are a major exception. However, because of your COI, it would be best if you placed an edit request on the talk page Talk:Identity Guard, asking for somebody to upload and use the new logo (include a URL for it). --ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Please help create a redirect[edit]

Hello! I have created an article about Valentine de Laborde and wanted to create a redirect from Valentine Delessert ( as she is also known under this name) to it. I tried to create it as an article but obviously it was a mistake as now I have an article - Valentine Delessert. Can someone please help me with it. It was my first time creating redirect and reading manual didn't work for me). Thank you in advance. --Less Unless (talk) 18:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I have fixed the redirect for you. You almost had it, but for whatever reason (I'd assume it was due to visual editor) there were nowiki tags on it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 18:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! --Less Unless (talk) 18:36, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Creating wikipedia page[edit]

I would like to create Wikipedia page for my husband Peter Cohen a 18 year veteran at Amazon, investor of Mechanical Turk, AWS etc. we lost him to ALS last year at 53. He holds 20 cloud foundational patents. Etc.

Can I get a service to help me create his profile. Some of the services want me to pay them $7k to put this together.

We have create Peter Cohen Foundation a non profit 501(c)3 organization to help bring Technology innovations to Cure ALS.

Your help in this matter would really help me and us to create awareness on ALS as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1D00:C84F:2CD9:E43B:BBBC:A08E (talk) 18:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I am sorry for your loss. Wikipedia does not itself offer paid editing or article writing services. Many businesses or individuals claim to offer this service, but don't hand over any money until you see the end result. Despite what they claim, they can make no guarantees(such as writing an article that will not be deleted). They also must declare that you are paying them per the paid editing policy. In order to merit an article on Wikipedia, there must be many independent reliable sources that have significant coverage of your husband showing how he meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable person. I do not say this to minimize your husband's accomplishments or role in people's lives, which must be substantial. But Wikipedia is not a place to merely memorialize someone who has passed. There are forums in which that can be done.
Wanting to "create awareness" of ALS is a laudable goal, but Wikipedia is not the proper platform to do that. Social media platforms would be a better fit for that goal. 331dot (talk) 18:59, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Help in creating company profile for Wikipedia[edit]

Hello everyone!

It`s my first time creating a Wikipedia page. I tried creating one for a company, but Wikipedia deleted it, alleging that it was advertising. How can I contact contributor to help me, or view some guidelines so it doesn`t happen again? I also wanted to know, if contributors provide the service to create the page for me, and if so, how can I contact them?

Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

There are no edits from your IP other than the above, so I can't look at your draft to tell you what the issue was. You can contact the administrator that deleted it- if you have an account and user talk page, there is likely a notice there, or you can look at the deletion log to see who deleted it. (again, if you would tell the name of the draft, I could tell you who deleted it myself)
Note that out of six million plus pages, there is not a single "profile" on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has articles. This is a subtle but important distinction. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that has articles about subjects shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability; in this case, the definition of a notable company.
If you work for this company, you must review and comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies. The latter is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory if you work for the company. 331dot (talk) 20:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


I am curious about this. Today (date of February 25 in the USA) is my WikiBirthday. On one of my "user pages" (here: User:Joseph A. Spadaro/Sandbox/Page-Intro-10), I have the User Box for Wikipedia birth dates. The User Box is here: [6]. Therefore, is there any reason that I am not listed on this page here ([7]) of WikiBirthdays? Any ideas? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Right after I typed the above question, my name now does appear at this page: [8]. So, what's going on and what just happened? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
@Joseph A. Spadaro: The software needed a kick to get the template's logic through to the category page; for performance reasons, the software doesn't recalculate the effect of every template every time someone looks at a page. I made a null edit to your sandbox page and then a purge of the category page, and it is now showing up. But it is likely to remain there tomorrow unless someone goes through those steps again. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
@John of Reading: OK. Great. Thanks. But, just so I am clear ... doesn't that specific page (Wikipedia Birthdays) change every single day? Regardless of whether or not anyone goes through all the steps you just discussed? I imagine that, day-by-day, that page changes to reflect the new day's birthdays. No? So, tomorrow (February 26), it will list a whole bunch of new people with the February 26 birthday ... and "erase" the people with the old birthday of February 25. No? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Also ... where is this "null edit" that you made to my Sandbox page? I can't seem to find anything in the history tabs? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:37, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
@Joseph A. Spadaro: The software doesn't know which of Wikipedia's 50 million pages (roughly) need to be re-processed at the end of today; it won't get round to updating the category. I picked a random name in Category:Current Wikipedia birthdays and found Shakibul Alam Risvy, whose userboxes page says {{User Wikipedian For|year=2014|month=2|day=21}} - four days ago.
A null edit, by definition, makes no change to the page and doesn't show up in the history. It just gets the software to re-think the templates that are already there. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Problems opening wikipedia dump file bz2 or its xml[edit]

Hi, I just downloaded enwiki-20200201-pages-articles-multistream.xml.bz2 .

I tried to open it with wikidumpparser. It crashed on the first line, saying "System.Xml.XmlException: 'Unexpected end of file has occurred. The following elements are not closed: mediawiki. Line 45, position 1.'" I extracted the xml file. Too big for notepad++. I tried using firstobject xml editor, which I have used to open xml files larger than a few Gigabites before. Firstobject xml editor just closed without any error message when I tried to open the xml.

I would prefer to open it in .net, but any language will do. I just want a program to be able to look up many articles, and I thought a local file would be better than many calls to the online wikipedia. Perhaps I was wrong. Do you have any suggestions? Is there something wrong with the dump? Is it a newer format? Do you have any suggestions on how to access it at all or alternatively for accessing the online wikipedia often in the best way? Star Lord - 星爵 (talk) 20:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I have used a few .net libraries some years ago, but as I read the documentation, nowadays I need permission, and probably special permission if I want to make many calls. So I thought the dump might be an alternative, not to disturb anyone too much. Star Lord - 星爵 (talk) 20:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Removal of content[edit]

I am asking why my content which are facts was undone on the Sons of Confederate Veterans page. I feel that every one that i post on here which are facts are always undone. Please let me know please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellyrl1861 (talkcontribs) 20:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Please, always sign your posts with four tildes - ~~~~ - otherwise we will not know who are you and therefore will not be able to answer your question. Ruslik_Zero 20:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Editor states they are a member of the organisation and thus knows about it. Also the usual confusion about what a Wikipedia article is. Doug Weller talk 20:35, 25 February 2020 (UTC)